(Continuation from yesterday)

Ebata: "Well, aside from that, what's a 'the flag' ?"

Wife: "It's also called 'return to their hometown in glory'"

Ebata: "The only images that 'the flag' reminds me of are musicians, idols and actors"

Wife: "Or a politician or a baseball player... Anyway, I guess this is the limit of our image.

Ebata: "If they can achieve what they want, is that 'they could raise the flag' ? I suppose it's good enough for my own goals, if I achieve them."

Wife: "...no, that's not enough.

Ebata: "?"

Wife: "If they use the phrase of "return to their hometown in glory", the flag should be something that could be perceived as a "success." for many people, especially in their hometown."

Ebata: "...what most people consider to be of common value -- 'money'"

Wife:"Or to be famous -- I guess that includes 'fame'"

Ebata: "When it comes to 'money' and 'fame' that can be observed by a third party - ah, I see, 'musicians' is easy to understand.

Wife: "Yes, you're right. The process of getting there requires not only effort and ability, but also luck, and in addition, 'the possibility should be terribly small'.

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Honestly, I thought that

"It's troublesome"

I don't want to be at the mercy of "success in the eyes of others", but "success of my own volition.

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Finally, I'll leave you with something unnecessary.

If you have an illustion of the flag in the eyes of others, let you read this article.

If you can't be bothered to read the words, it is O.K. to watch these figures.

I think it's at least a reference.